Therefore, as far as I can see, the description of Linda as a hippy, as was understood by those not in sympatico with any countercultural thought, is pretty accurate. Why? She eventually turned herself in and agreed to become the lead witness for the prosecution in exchange for her own immunity. Hands? But Linda?? WELL, WELL, there it is folks - the PROOF - the spell of Charlie Manson's "hypnotic" POWER lasts FOREVER, or at least for a few years, depending upon how strongly you got zapped.Thanks Dreath,BTW: the Defense $$$ got had by Daye Shinn. She kept away from media attention except for once when she agreed to do an interview for an American television program A Current Affair in 1988. And the wallet, as you've pointed out, was found on Parent.You don't agree. Manson Mythos saidWhen one looks at this case, it's almost miraculous that Vincent Bugliosi had a scenario that answered so many important questions and that the answers all seemed to help his case greatlyIs that not what one might expect when, from a number of disparate sources, details and events match up and dovetail ? I also don't think it let's Manson 'off the hook'.Then again if Van Houten really wanted to cut holes in her shirt for her elf wings maybe a bottomless pit with a secret magical realm, living there for 100 years and growing to 144,000 souls was part of it. HS crawled in 4th out of 6.Personally, I suspect that the ease and commonality with which Helter skelter is dismissed reflects a discomfort with the notion of God communicating, religion and the spiritual realm being taken seriously. He knew the revolutionary struggle had to abandon the failed policies of men like Martin Luther King, the 'old' left and even the 'new' left. This might have been tried as a felony murder case like Van Houten III. About Nadar.You are missing the point, Grim. Dreath saidWhen you get to the heart of it, it is Bugliosi who says the motive was HS (+ megalomania+ anti-social hatred of the establishment+ lust for murderIt starts as being the other way around, HS being last on the list. The figures show that 86% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasians, 12.5% were black, 1.2% were other races. How about the ones who went into service and spent the war stateside?BTW: I was one of the cowards who got a college degree during that time. There were bits that really made her look cheap, like when it was brought out that Joe Sage helped her out with money and Gary Fleischman's name because he wanted her to be his doxy..and she obliged ! The Brits threw him out because he was accused of rape. Dreath saidAt what price, my friend? Testifying before the jury that it was all them and Charlie had nothing to do with it isn't exactly the best way to demonstrate the prosecutor was wrong. So I suspect that IF the TATE / LaBianca massacre took place today, they would be filling the ambulances with cops who got nauseated and pass-out. The involvement of Susan and Gypsy in the Shorty affair has come to light too. She does go on to say that it was because she did not want to face the whole thing while pregnant, but still, she knew she was pregnant when she told her husband, Joe Sage and Jeffrey Jacobs.The intention of testifying I guess only becomes a hot issue after the indictments and at that point, is it really unusual for there to have been some uncertainty on her part as to what she was going to do ?Look at the words Mr. Fleischman uses- I see him convincing her she needed to be a prosecution witnessThat was interesting. As soon as Atkins testifies Bugliosi has a pretty good case against Kasabian. And they all had a modicum of help. That's because sometimes, my thoughts on part of something that someone has said aren't formulated at the moment that I'm answering but other things that have been said have sparked off my train of thought or brought up an answer or a question.Other times, I'll need to do a bit of research so an answer won't be forthcoming straight away.Other times, just in general thought, I might have a sudden insight on something someone has said because I've been thinking about it; but that might be days later.I hope that's what you mean. Better yet how about asking Dr. Galloway? ?I've stated many a time that my heart goes out to many people on all sides of this saga.But TLB blogs aren't essentially about the relatives of the victims are they ? BUT even self-hate can have positive results and be a driving force for good.Supposedly there has been ONLY one person planted on this earth who was ALL good, but even HE committed assault & battery on "innocent" victims. You are correct, alone it is meaningless. Now that is a great question and I decline to answer on grounds I might further incriminate myself. With a father like Dean who was hitting on girls his teenage daughter hung out with, and did drugs with his own underage kid, or Diane Lake whose parents live a similar lifestyle and literally give her their permission to run around with any group of older people she wants- I do feel sympathy. During the Tate-LaBianca murders, Kasabian. She participated in terrible crimes, and then left her child with the people who she knew committed them.Then she flipped on those people too.Who could trust Linda? ?I do not get it at all.. there is a human side to this and there are a couple of people to pity who got involved with Charlie. Short answer: no, Kanareks endless objections allowed Bugliosi to get in statements he should not have. St Circumstance saidOk- Ill be devils advocate. Where does light fusion into anything with Linda?As far as I'm concerned, every human being has something about them that is positive while at the same time being a container of darkness, regardless of the degree. Scared she wanted to drive away, but could not as her child was at the Spahn Ranch. I've long found it significant that not one of the incarcerated has ever come out in the 45+ years and brought out any details of her nefarious involvement that we are not already aware of. She answered the question. I liked your book and you- but don't agree with your conclusions :). [And Bugliosi leads a reluctant Kasabian to the answer he wants. // -->,